Robert Vinall
Robert Vinall
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Five Moat Myths
Rob holds a talk called "Five Moat Myths" at the 2024 Value Investor Conference in Omaha.
Rob discusses five widely held beliefs about moats that may be incorrect.
He also summarises his two prior talks at the conference - on valuation in 2014, and on management in 2017.
This talk was originally planned for 2020, but the small matter of a pandemic got in the way...
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Відео

Mountainside Chat with Nir Zohar, President and COO of Wix
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Mountainside Chat with Nir Zohar, President and COO of Wix
Capital Allocator Panel Discussion: Jason Matz, Thomas Berchtenbreiter, and Sargent McGowan
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Jason Matz: GHR Foundation Thomas Berchtenbreiter: BTV Beteiligungsverwaltung Sargent McGowan: UVIMCO (University of Virginia)
Women in Investing Panel Discussion: Amelie Vinall, Alex Douglas, Fatima Dickey and Sofia Hou
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Alex Douglas: Investure Fatima Dickey: Lagoda Investment Management Sofia Hou: Investment manager from Boston
Emerging Managers Panel Discussion with Tim Liu, Fred Saland, and Joan Manasanch
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Tim Liu: Meditation Capital Fred Saland: Oxylus Capital Joan Esteve Manasanch: Gesinter SGIIC, S.A.
Investor Q&A - Rob Vinall and Andreas Lechner answer questions about Business Owner Fund's 2023
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Investor Q&A - Rob Vinall and Andreas Lechner answer questions about Business Owner Fund's 2023
What is Trupanion doing to win the pet insurance market? A chat with Darryl Rawlings (Founder & CEO)
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Darryl Rawlings has founded Trupanion - an investment of mine. Here he shared a lot of interesting insights into the business. PS: Sorry for the technical issues with this recording.
Identifying Managers with Talent and Integrity
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Identifying Managers with Talent and Integrity
RV ID 2017 - Questions on identifying innovation and Grenke
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RV ID 2017 - Questions on identifying innovation and Grenke
RV ID 2017 - Questions on Novo, and India and China
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RV ID 2017 - Questions on Novo, and India and China
RV ID 2017 - Question on paying a high multiple for Facebook
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RV ID 2017 - Question on paying a high multiple for Facebook
RV ID 2017 - Question on Trupanion
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RV ID 2017 - Question on Trupanion
RV ID 2017 - Question on Baidu, Google and Tencent
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RV ID 2017 - Question on Baidu, Google and Tencent
RV ID 2017 - Question on innovation
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RV ID 2017 - Question on innovation
RV ID 2017 - Question on when to sell
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RV ID 2017 - Question on when to sell
RV Capital Investor Day 2017 - Question on RV´s competitive advantage
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RV Capital Investor Day 2017 - Question on RV´s competitive advantage
RV Capital Emerging Manager Day 2017 - Part 1
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RV Capital Emerging Manager Day 2017 - Part 1
RV Capital Emerging Manager Day 2017 - Part 2
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RV Capital Emerging Manager Day 2017 - Part 2

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @kenchoi702
    @kenchoi702 9 днів тому

    Great lecture. Two important lessons I got from the talk: 1) You can’t recognize mgmt with integrity (and talent) unless you practice them yourself, and 2) People or management is a big part of creating and growing the MOAT. I thought they were very insightful observations. Much appreciated 👍

  • @hyperhippyhippohopper
    @hyperhippyhippohopper 21 день тому

    Skip to 18:27 for the myths

  • @stevenoliver7120
    @stevenoliver7120 22 дні тому

    I noticed that the questioners in the audience all spoke with foreign accents which I believe bodes well for the future of value investing around the world.

  • @Sokrabiades
    @Sokrabiades 24 дні тому

    Mostly pleasantries until 7:45

  • @leomardo61
    @leomardo61 Місяць тому

    excellent as alwyas Rob

  • @alexturner3597
    @alexturner3597 Місяць тому

    Great value!

  • @shinlutondo3979
    @shinlutondo3979 Місяць тому

    Myth 1 deserves more attention. The analogy of boat #2 traveling faster than the distant boat #1 that’s further ahead presupposes that the moat enjoyed by the first boat does not act as a counteracting force against the prosperity of boat #2. This can be true if boat #1 has no moat in reality or if boat #1 occupies a tiny portion of the river at large, leaving ample room for boat #2. Since our working assumption is that boat #1 is competitively advantaged, focus is thus put on the latter case: A sub-scaled competitor can grow faster than a competitively advantaged incumbent if the scale required to enjoy said moat is de minimis. It’s as if the only thing that matters with respect to discussions about moats is whether the incumbent is of significant relative size to prevent competitors/new entrants from becoming sizable threats. No matter how great the moat, it’s of no importance to customers who have yet to be captivated. Ex: what’s the minimum scale required of a software company to enjoy switching costs? I’d argue, one customer. It’s likely why Rob calls cost advantages as the goat moat as it widens in proportion to scale - albeit at diminishing returns over time. That said, I also think that cost advantages are often touted without explicit recognition of their limits. Cost advantages are only meaningful to the extent that said cost savings are deeming consequential to end customers. Do I really care to save $2 on napkins at Costco vs the local convenient store? With rising wealth, this threshold of convenience likely rises (ie from $2 to $3). Good talk!

  • @QuantCompounder
    @QuantCompounder Місяць тому

    Really enjoyed this one. Thanks RV!

  • @SBK2480
    @SBK2480 Місяць тому

    Great talk! Where can i find the presentation? Edit: I applied on your website- please accept my registration!!

  • @susymay7831
    @susymay7831 Місяць тому

    Timestamps would help your nice videos ❤

  • @JuanBattaglia45
    @JuanBattaglia45 3 місяці тому

    Amazing team. It was enjoyable to listen that 4 hours.

  • @vikihott4120
    @vikihott4120 4 місяці тому

    *promosm*

  • @palestineViper
    @palestineViper 5 місяців тому

    Robert, no concerns investing in an apartheid state? maybe soon also officially a genocidal state?

  • @philipphaas
    @philipphaas 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for the insights from an emerging fund manager

  • @damirprieto9016
    @damirprieto9016 5 місяців тому

    Very educative session Thanks Rob and team

  • @suveerarora5593
    @suveerarora5593 5 місяців тому

    Thoroughly enjoyed the event playback - The wix coo did a super job Thanks Rob and Andreas

  • @pcmys
    @pcmys 5 місяців тому

    Very good - thanks for posting this, and Day1, @Rob - appreciate it.

  • @QualitativeInvestor
    @QualitativeInvestor 5 місяців тому

    I asked the same question to the Wix engineer regarding the most common complaints, and the response highlighted issues related to bug reports and the extended duration it takes to resolve them.

  •  5 місяців тому

    Thanks for making these chats so easily available and for free. I’m always looking forward to watching the recordings of the event. Glad to hear you are doing well health-wise as well!

  • @SpecialKatz
    @SpecialKatz 5 місяців тому

    Starts @ 57:40

  • @harjotbrar1984
    @harjotbrar1984 5 місяців тому

    Loved the straight forward question about SBC.

  • @yappydabbad9323
    @yappydabbad9323 7 місяців тому

    what's his returns since interest rates have moved up?

  • @fatcapital88
    @fatcapital88 10 місяців тому

    I appreciate this content so much, thank you for doing this!

  • @maddysydney
    @maddysydney 11 місяців тому

    Starts at 2:35 min mark

  • @tommycryptic
    @tommycryptic Рік тому

    Trupanion is a disgrace to pets and insurance. Darryl is just trying to make money off peoples pets.

  • @timoverdijk3176
    @timoverdijk3176 Рік тому

    Its obviously an excellent company with great culture, but so much uncertainty.

  • @tokhmi2006
    @tokhmi2006 Рік тому

    Anytime you interview a CEO I take that as a signal to short. Like the Trupanian guy. These guys think of you and other small investors as patsies - you look up to them and give them all this attention and podium, meanwhile they do whatever the F serves their own interests. Anyway, Trupanion turned out to be a shitco. Hoping Ryman doesn’t go the same way.

  • @biscaynediver
    @biscaynediver Рік тому

    _"We'll have to wait a few more years to see what the full situation is (on CVNA)."_ This shows a stunning disconnect from reality in every possible respect. The "full situation" is that Ernie Garcia, a took you for a ride. To fail to acknowledge that it is far more likely than not (do you seriously not understand what the bond pricing is telling you?!!) that it will not take "a few more years" to know the outcome is stunning. CVNA was designed to fail from the start. It was a front business to build value in Drive Time. Just as was the case for Ugly Duckling, the first car sales company that Ernie used to suck money from unsuspecting investors in the 1999-2000 mania. Same sleazy salesman, similar sales pitch. When Ernie had sucked all the dumb money out of Ugly Duckling (Ticker: UGLY), and used it to build all the value he could in Drive Time, he bankrupted the company. Having sucked nearly $4 Billion out of CVNA and used it to expand Drive Time 5x, he is just about done there too. It is incredible that such an allegedly "smart" investor could be so lacking in research and analytical skills as to be unable to decipher this.

  • @benm3819
    @benm3819 Рік тому

    Fantastic

  • @mr.samuelasiemarga738
    @mr.samuelasiemarga738 Рік тому

    Greetings from Indonesia, thx for the video

  • @AlexandreBrazAdriano
    @AlexandreBrazAdriano Рік тому

    Great conversation - thanks for sharing

  • @breakingpargolf
    @breakingpargolf Рік тому

    Awesome. Hey Tilman, what was the link to the blog / Substack? Fairwealth?

  • @cammorrison8566
    @cammorrison8566 Рік тому

    Great insights, much appreciated!

  • @travismonk2804
    @travismonk2804 Рік тому

    Very interesting opportunity now down 66% this year

  • @TheWeastBeast
    @TheWeastBeast Рік тому

    Met Jacob briefly at the annual meeting last year when I bought his book. Great read! Flew through it

  • @tombrady4977
    @tombrady4977 Рік тому

    He talks like Jürgen Klopp. Awesome voice!

  • @leechoonyau
    @leechoonyau Рік тому

    I was pondering a while on how to launch a fund with 0/6/25. the huge distraction and stress will be how to weather the "0" years. I decided to skip directly to owning a cashflow positive business with a few partners in a digital consultancy and advisory business and then channel the cashflow and capital to build up the "value fund" with the partners. Thus solving seed capital and running a track record and yet having a business cashflow to fund the "0" years and not be pressured to perform any transactions when there is no clear margin of safety. Probably why Buffett prefers to buy business 100% and owned their cashflow. It also makes easier getting business loans at low interests as well for cheaper costs of capital. just my 2 cents. In short, I move directly into the BRK phase.

  • @philipphaas
    @philipphaas Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @lmomi5363
    @lmomi5363 Рік тому

    Thank you for this great interview. What's the name of the website mentioned at 24:20?

  • @pratikkodial5428
    @pratikkodial5428 Рік тому

    Great to hear from the panelists. Thanks Rob for conducting this session and along with the others ones sharing on UA-cam. Wish you the best of health!!

  • @Neil.Denize
    @Neil.Denize Рік тому

    Great chat, Cheers for sharing Rob and David, much appreciated.

  • @righttiming
    @righttiming Рік тому

    Did you sell Carvana?

  • @InvestingwithTom
    @InvestingwithTom Рік тому

    Fantastic conversation - thanks all!

    • @shashikaru
      @shashikaru Рік тому

      What do you think Tom? Will you make Ryman an addition to your portfolio?

    • @achillemonnet3972
      @achillemonnet3972 Рік тому

      It’s pretty compelling given the entrenchment, capital dynamics and big reinvestment runway. I’m curious if you’re tempted Tom, I am quite keen

  • @ask230
    @ask230 Рік тому

    Excellent interview and q&a.

  • @GoodInvestingTalks
    @GoodInvestingTalks Рік тому

    It was cool meeting Jacob in Engelberg. He is a really kind guy!

  • @achillemonnet3972
    @achillemonnet3972 Рік тому

    Thanks all

  • @achillemonnet3972
    @achillemonnet3972 Рік тому

    Thanks to all involved

  • @lizidane78
    @lizidane78 Рік тому

    Can I ask the name of the background music it’s so good

  • @MonsieurDee
    @MonsieurDee Рік тому

    Thanks Tillman and Rob

  • @DavidMM255
    @DavidMM255 Рік тому

    It was a great Q&A session, I really enjoyed. Thank you for putting it out. The joke of Andreas about digging with spoons was very funny. About the book on Energy and Civilization Rob mentioned, could it be Energy and Civilization: A History by Vaclav Smil? Thank you again for sharing.